saw one as a standard at a show and it was wonderful.I kept thinking silver leghorn on fluff. Any ideas how to get that in the silkie? I went to the silkie site and no help from the breeders there so stopped in for some help from the real thing.My birds have blue to the line or partridge so I may have to find birds with the line I need. It would be easier to buy a pair?!TEXT
Ok I am answering my own Question but I found Ideals breeder and talked to him and he said it is a gray that was renamed. He said to breed partridge to a black or a blue as the partridge has the gray gene. he said he sells grays but I never saw them for sale there anyway, if you have anymore ideas let me know. I am glad that I got this far as the breeders wouldn't help me when I asked.
Post by Kickingbird on Oct 7, 2004 20:57:25 GMT -5
First I want to say, welcome to the group. I hope you enjoy your time here!
I would assume ( because I have not delt directly with this color) That you need to breed in something like a silver duckwing to get the silver in the neck and the black body. Now having said that IF YOU CAN GET THEM ALREADY BREEDING STRAIGT THAT IS THE EASIEST WAY TO GET THEM!
BBReds and Silver duckwings have a genetic patteren that gives them black breast and colored hackle. The silkie gene is recessive so it would take at least three generations to "make" them from other breeds. If you can try to buy a trio or a pair. From experience I can tell you it will be cheaper to save up and wait to buy them than making them yourself. However I've never been one to take the cheaper route...LOL...just ask my wife.
I never take the easy way and when I do the work I know what is in them and no lies. Isn't it what the fun with the birds is about anyway. We learn so much from the crossing that if we didn't do it we would have very few breeds and colors today.Thank you again I see the trick as getting the birds to hold true to the color but as this color is a stronge one I don't see the problems millie or blues have in breeding. Jean has taken a break from her work with the millie as it breaks after three years and you have to realy work that color.I let the color break kept the body type pulled other colors from it then used them to bring millie back has worked very well . This should be easier by about 6 years!
Post by Kickingbird on Oct 8, 2004 17:21:50 GMT -5
You will find no arguments here! I'm the king of donig things the hard way...LOL. If you have the time and drive to do it I would back you all the way. The only question I ask is: "why make a color that already exsist?"
For instance, my crele phoenix project. There is NO ONE ELSE ON THE PLANET that has these birds. Still a great project and it is a little "different" than anything else currently avalible.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not discouraging you in your work but encouraging you to take on something that will produce a "never before seen" type of project.
Like you I love all of the variety of chickens, that is why I think there should be a chicken in every household in the world (a live one of course )
the problem is it is in France only now. The American types have been all but forgot. But I saw these birds and knew that they may have been used to bring the partrige color in and called Ideal and talked to the breeder there. If I breed my stock to a partridge and a blue black of his stock I will have some to work with then pull the golds out. He has the gray but not as strong as the color should be.I want to get the old birds back and have some full heads and feet as the old stock didn't have that quality. I will have better stock to work with as the breeders did improve the beards and heads of the birds now I want to make the bird in bantam as nice as the French standard silkie. Now when you say silver silkie people think all silver. I do love flashy your longtail is flashy and so cool.I have longtails too but just to get the yokohamas the way I want them is a job,but some day I may think about my Phoenix again.(long story)
The bird picture is a longtail phoenix with some Old english game mix of blue and cre right? Nice the birds are just like a silver leghorn only all fuff head to toe sillkie. The fuff on the head has the great colors of the silver leghorn and the body so prefect black it would make your eyes water. I thought what if I did that with the gold too and black. Oh no my husband would kill me!
I don't have a picture but will be going to a show where this breeder does "drop " his birds for everyone to see. I will do pictures if they are there. He has signs all over about them but is never there or info who he is Mark a breeder friend will help me next time as we will try to get the info from the tight mouth group. I find silkie people hard to give anything up. I must say the breeders at Ideal helped me. Very nice and I have a favor to do for them so it works nice. Sad though when you want to talk to some of these people they toss you a side. I am very thankful for this site. I don't know half of what all of you do and together we can learn so much.So many breeds and so little time.