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Post by chickenman on Jan 28, 2004 11:28:29 GMT -5
I am starting my crele phoenix project this year. What color legs should I select for: Slate as per the phoenix standard, or Pinkish White as per the crele description?
chickenman
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Post by Kickingbird on Jan 28, 2004 11:34:44 GMT -5
Chickenman,
I don't know how others will feel about this but I would go with slate. This is my reason. Many could say "it's just a creel OE with long tail" But if you breed for slate leggs you will stay closer to the original phoenix and there will be no doubt what it is.
KB
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Post by chickenman on Jan 30, 2004 10:30:51 GMT -5
That was my logic too, but I wanted some other opinions before I made the leap.
chickenman
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Post by chickenman on Feb 3, 2004 13:34:23 GMT -5
What about earlobes? Red or white?
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Post by Kickingbird on Feb 3, 2004 23:35:12 GMT -5
I think you will have a hard time eliminating the white in the earlobe. It can be done but the genetics are not fully understood. It is believed that several gene interactions control the earlobe color so large numbers of offspring would need to be bred and culled very hard to remove the white.
Having said that I would like to see them stay white anyway. It is just my opinion but phoenix is the only breed I realy like a white earlobe in.
BTW, do you mind sharing how you are going about this project? I'd like to know if you know how the creel is developed or if you are just trying out a few different breedings. I was thinking about this the other day and I realized that if you breed a barred rock to a RI Red you get barred birds....not creel. However this I believe is due to the red color of the feather....Using a red laced bird (like in the phoenix and games) should be different because the red color gene and the red lacing gene are different (this is my understanding and I could be wrong).
KB
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Post by chickenman on Feb 5, 2004 12:56:48 GMT -5
Barred rock hen to red phoenix roo for the first barring gene, F1 hens to father for tail type, F1 roos to mother for the second barring gene, F2 3/4 phoenix roos crossed to 3/4 barred rock hens, and then cull to type, going back to the parent stock to improve barring and tail as needed.
I also like the white earlobes.
chickenman
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Post by Kickingbird on Feb 5, 2004 22:54:28 GMT -5
Chickenman,
It sounds good, only one issue I would like to bring up. Your F1 hens will not be barred, only the males will. Then if you breed back your F1 hens to their dad, they will have longer tails but they will still not be barred. Your plan will still work but would work a little faster if you put a barred rooster over a phoenix hen for your first mating.
I'm doing something similar this year, we should both post pics when we get a chance. I should have eggs to set from a phoenix barred mating in about a month.
KB
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Post by Longtailedchicken on Feb 6, 2004 17:18:25 GMT -5
Mark,
What kind of barred rooster are you using ?
Rick
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Post by Kickingbird on Feb 7, 2004 10:36:35 GMT -5
I'm using a barred rooster that is of a line I'm breeding for long saddles. He looks almost like a pure barred rock, I don't know how long his saddles will end up being yet as they are still growing but I expect them to be quite a bit longer than standard barred rocks. I just dubbed him but I'll post a pic when he is healed up.
KB
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